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after a long time from the press now views again addressed the overarching theme (see "Related Links").
Perhaps one or the other reader is so like me. After a rather eventful period in early summer 2008, with much discussion, participation in city council and citizens (initiatives) meetings, marketplace items, and signature campaigns, etc. is the issue but now shifted considerably in the background. Sometimes you almost get the impression that there was no Bridge problem anymore in Rotenburg. But this is
in my view, less a prime example of the Freudian theory of repression in the collective rather than a deficit in the information sharing decision-makers and planners to the people and especially those directly affected. From
can I therefore repeat my proposal only "to inform the planning in order to curb speculation and to support the desired transparency on all sides in finding solutions" to the community "regularly" standings.

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opinion of Manfred Knierim

Now it is believed to have won a victory by the Witttichbrücke been adopted by the city is shelved. Now, the city offers three design alternatives: the Wittichbrücke be there again. Hypocritical do you explain to involve the citizens in the decision. And the response? Zero! It would have been a storm of indignation to break loose, as he has never seen before Rotenburg, why nothing happens like that? It is quiet in the country, you can simply take for a ride. The shield citizens from the bridge is still on at 30 June and in the HNA is not a reader's letter on this subject appeared. At this point I would like to mention that as long as ms has the threads in the local editorial staff in hand, I offered no letter there anymore will be. I have no need to let me bully him.

If you will do nothing now against the Wittichbrücke, it comes as the Amen in church. It is the only mayor of our favorite and desired solution of various circles. Then it was all effort was in vain, we will accept it? It looks now like this.

Sincerely

Manfred Knierim

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If not now, when? My excitement about the bold so soon dilapidated bridge, the bridge of the town twinning, including the re-exposure of the taxpayer is expected given way. We

Bridge residents sitting for many years in the front row. Our privileges consist primarily of:
permanent Ersschütterungen through the traffic and the consequent damage to the truss, reduction in property values, enormous health burden from traffic noise, fine dust and exhaust fumes during rush hour, the pigeon droppings and between each flood accumulated debris under the Fulda Bridge. All in all a quite high Loss of living and quality of life.

In view of the damaged bridges in the rest of the currently permitted tonnage of 30 tons actual weight is too high. That's obvious but just as local residents, because you constantly fluctuating ground under their feet. An alternative to these many small earthquakes would offer a speed limit of 30 km / h for heavy vehicles.

This bridge is now useless! It is already the thunder box for pigeons Rotenburg denigrated. Especially for children to play go health hazards from the pigeon droppings. A pigeon house for feral pigeons on a patch of green, as seen in other places would be a sensible solution.

was 40 years ago there was a deep cut in the history of our city. Centuries-old buildings - primarily in the New Town - was razed to the ground, destroying irreplaceable half-timbered houses. Certainly these changes Bausch was also due to the garrison town. To the spectacle of armored columns, year in year out on the bridge, the residents would like to do without.

letter from Mr. Samsen (HNA, issue of 6/28/2008), I am very impressed. It is time, once the first question concerned - the man with his feelings and desires, concerns, needs, legitimate interests. Sorry, but from the administration ever more from the individual - and as we know, this takes revenge at the appropriate time. Apparently successfully engaged the citizens against a planned controversial building project has been able to defend themselves.

We know local residents and preservationists bridge first-hand about the problem of the occurrence. We now have enough of it! All these years was to bear the inevitable stoic. But now, I believe, has entered a hopeful situation. Mr Heinrich Wacker's proposal to remove the bridge entirely, then to vacant lots to conclude with a sense of proportion, I believe is right. I see before my eyes newly constructed frame houses, green areas with benches and children playing, are allowed on the lawn.

For the benefit of all security solution can not be found. Precisely for this reason should be given to the new route in all directions in order to agree and democratic, but also pragmatic, to achieve the best possible. Reasonable and environmentally friendly without doubt a bridge in the industrial zone. Here I am again at the words of Mr. Samsen, the man is a priority. This should also apply in future for the Trail. A traffic-free zone is long overdue. Urban planners who say otherwise, I can not take it seriously.

neighbors, as Mr. Ossig and Mr. Kleinschmidt, have argued in all my senses. An action I would concur. I inhabit a protected monument as a house that was renovated with high investment are Herzbblut and a lot of power. The Monument Protection Authority has strict requirements that had to be met. But when it comes to engage in the protection of old buildings, houses with a medieval foundation, caused by the current market shocks can not absorb, I hear and see nothing of this institution, around which the preservation of the framework sought to help. If they actually perceive their own best interests? Especially now that would offer a unique opportunity? Or she feels responsible only for cosmetic Conditions. If tomorrow I can put a solar panel on the roof of our house, would certainly provide for the dismantling! Where this authority will provide support and information in obtaining the energy from Jul 01, 2008 valid passport? It does nothing. But the only nota bene.

The demolition of the dilapidated bridge would provide a unique opportunity to finally give the historical landmark the necessary protection so that we have many more descendants of the town of Rotenburg, "the beauty of the Fulda, and brings joy to its visitors. The experience of urban design errors - like in the sixties - should be in the future groundbreaking.


Werner Herwig

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press release interest group Citizens for the citizens of street and community of interests flood

We are very pleased with the success of the civil action against the planned Wittichbrücke. The facts and arguments that exist against the traffic flow with the Wittichbrücke were in the past few weeks already discussed in detail and are well known. It has been shown that people in politics can make a difference if they stand together. In just eight days, the number of signatures of at least 10% of eligible voters Rotenburger exceeded. Until 06/19/2008, more than 2,000 people had signed on the lists for the citizens' initiative. The condition a referendum was actually carried out, so early as last Thursday, 06.19.2008 fulfilled over. By the clear will of the citizens of the City Council's intentions to draft resolution for the referendum have taken over our senses and repealed thus the decisions of 20.05.2008 for the new Wittichbrücke. The decision of the City Council of 19.06.2008, the purpose of the citizens' initiative against the planned Wittichbrücke is redundant.

all signatures are collected in the next few days and pass the end of the week the mayor, although the initiators of the citizens' initiative, is aware that this has no legal effect may take longer on the procedure. The initiated citizens' will not be pursued. We ask all who support us, the lists of signatures on the same route by which they were distributed back to pass, or directly handed over to us.

We see the mayor by the signatures against the new Wittichbrücke hired to for the citizens of Rotenburg an alternative traffic flow for the period to see the renovation of the bridge of the partnership with the relevant authorities.

Our thanks go to all the Red burgers, both in the core city and in the districts that have given their signatures, the citizens' initiative. Furthermore, we thank all those who have collected signatures on its own against the new Wittichbrücke and the lawyer specializing in administrative law Jörg Naumann Registry Bohl & Coll. in Würzburg, the club "more democracy in Hessen eV" and all who have supported us in other ways.

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Fidorra Heiko Bernd Steimann
Elfriede Huth

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The results of the Voting in yesterday's City Council can first be satisfied. No purchase of the plot Wilfer Chen and withdraw the decision on the land use plan. Bury the Wittichbrücke! Without the strong commitment of the citizens against these impossible schemes of their master they would have most likely. This is a good example of what the citizens when fighting together.

Remedying the "bridge the Städtepartnerschften "is certainly essential, such a monster was needed now but will not mind but, unfortunately, nothing can change the temporary bridge should be performed so as Mr Scholz (and in all modesty, even by yours truly) are indicated.. . They could possibly imagine as a demountable steel structure, similar to the temporary bridges, as I know the track laying ago. The connection to the crossing "Untertor / Borngasse" could take place by means of a steel highway. You have to remember always that it is doing it is an emergency measure and not a permanent condition. You have to ride this building is not necessarily at 50 km / h.. If now in the Town Hall sanity, yesterday was really not a bad day.

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mbreitbart@gmx.de bye along with family in the summer.
Where it says "Thank You" for the positive feedback from the last days of the blog!
Since my wife has given me the clear acceptance of recommendation [I visit lately probably too many city council meetings ;-)] leave my laptop at home, there will be for the next few weeks, probably no posts from me. Unless I secretly sneak into an Internet Cafe ...

to your published letters to the editor, opinions, etc., but please send email to to a solution of the bridge issue is important to continue to schildbuergerbruecke@gmx.de , the mail will be forwarded to a representative who then published the articles.

One last sentence, in the style of the tabloid was allowed before the summer break: While
hear our heroes in Switzerland on the name "Poldi" & "Schweini", they were called in Rotenburg City Hall yesterday for me Bernd (Steimann) and Heiko (Fidorra) (even if you do not like to hear yourself ;-)) .
Not forgetting of course, Mrs. Huth, the entire team of the citizen initiative, the industrious collector of signatures, including signing and everyone else who, in whatever form, delivered to your contribution to the decisions taken yesterday.

I hope the upcoming town hall meeting with the Lösungssfindung at the bridge in question and wish everyone a great summer!

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As a football fan and fellow citizens 'initiative "Citizens for the Citizens' Street" you can certainly worse days than yesterday's present.

addition to the 3-2 win against Portugal at the World Championships in Switzerland were in the City Council met in Rotenburg an der Fulda important decisions on the planned Wittichbrücke.
Among other things, the rejection of purchase "land Wilfert" and annul the decisions of 20 May regarding changing the land use plan adopted.

What does this have an actual impact on the citizens' initiative, must surely be explained only using the appropriate lawyers and explains the subsequent discussion between members of the citizens' initiative and their still partially restrained response to even vote taken in Parliament.

Whether the mayor is now committed with the same determination to find other alternatives, just as he did for the permanent Wittichbrücke and, according to his own words, a solution taking into account the problem of bypass Lispenhausen in Wiesbaden has done is to wait and to hope.

After his remarks yesterday, including pictorial paintings on the scenario, what happens if now is no temporary bridge and the city "2 years is divided," there are serious concerns, the city could now retire in the sulking and let things take their course.
without a determined search for real solutions to the bridge problem, it would also be easy to push the then impending traffic chaos in the shoes of the citizens initiative.

The next town hall meeting offers itself as an opportunity for those responsible to rebut these presumptions in the bud.

Just a note about the criticism of an SPD city council, the citizens' initiative was the "public viewing" in the Wittich collected the signatures and the city council Ermel thankfully was returned as quickly as apt.

It was in fact a public event. But there is no funeral service and the lists of signatures was therefore were not placed next to the Kondolenzlisten. So I can not understand the criticism and just conclude that we all probably have some training needs of grassroots work.

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Press Release "community of interests flood protection"

- Mr. Fehr defended the planning of sustainable new Wittichbrücke favors s a traffic control over the residential area in the floodplain without a doubt, this shopping center. Thus, an additional road and transport links to Braach to be set up also to the pond bottom. It is therefore presumptuous to say, was that this fact was not considered in the reflections on the new bridge.

- the interpretation of the proposed new bridge, including trucks - bear market is a further indication that the supply logistics of the markets with heavy-duty conveyors of these traffic management is facilitated and encouraged.

- Mr. Fehr said in a circle Gazette last week that the bridge had nothing to do with the market. Last summer had been discussed with the investor. Whether you have then been no more talk, we do not comment at this point.
Mr. Fehr also said that only on 25 February at the Ministry because the bridge was.

- Immediately after his visit to Wiesbaden, he should have informed. Since when has the city internally already involved in engineering, about the mayor says nothing.

- Plans for new Wittichbrücke was kept secret from the public and also before the opposition in city council for too long a time.

- This still is only one answer - undemocratic and not proactive. To believe that citizens would tolerate this silence is a misconception.

- To each his Rotenburger has now become clear that this approach, a specific target pursued. The citizens and the opposition should by late information are ignored and no reasonable opportunity to have more influence this bridge and road project . The mayor was wrong. In a very short time the activities were focused initiatives and mobilize citizens. The indignation of the population, also party lines is great. In the city it rumbles huge.

- The people's representatives, who previously supported the mayor when the bridge project should have to make some thought.

- expresses Mr. Fehr is the case, a referendum tilts the construction of the Wittichbrücke, he and those responsible have to accept this as a Democrat.

- leaving Mr. Fehr is not in this statement. He points instead to the fact that the vote of a citizens' decision is valid for three years. The mayor leaves here, is whether this statement is only a legal notice.

- Many people now fear that that more should be said, so that after end of the period of three years shuffled the cards again. Citizens are become suspicious to law and not trust blindly responsible city fathers, who have supported these decisions. Therefore, hands off the Wittich.

- If the city is the home land of the family Wilfert buy anyway to further to create facts, it must be possible to hold the mayor that he has operated control waste.

- The mayor has been officially informed of the citizen initiatives that citizens' petition has been launched. He is therefore well advised in such a case, any other activities first set and waiting for the referendum.

- Mr. Fehr is also the possibility to stop the referendum, if the decisions to build the town of Rotenburg Wittichbrücke be withdrawn. wanted

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letter "Wittichbrücke" by Alfred Scholz

After 33 years of volunteer work as a city councilor and 18 years leader of the CDU Rotenburg I I actually no longer involved in politics. As citizens Rotenburger I feel because of the large protests called to voice my opinion on the subject of temporary bridge.

1. Mayor Fehr and his SPD Wittich want to build with all the power not only in a temporary bridge across the Fulda, but a new bridge
   
   
2. With a lot of money the country Hesse flood relief measures undertaken that have led to the lowering of Fulda by 70 cm at high tide. The entire field of Fuldaaue between the "old Fulda Bridge and Wittich Port Square was just before Braach dredged and rehabilitated.
   As a replacement for the old Wittich has created the Rotenburger sports club a new training pitch with floodlights. The site was funded by the city.
   
   
3. The Wittichsteg was renewed with great effort and considerable expense, to span the renatured Fulda bed.
   
   
4. The "Münscher-hall" in the Fuldaaue was against the will of the CDU faction in the city council for a lot of money bought by the city in order to use it for the depot of the city.
   
   
5. are Not to be neglected by the city funded and gravel Areas that are designated as bus parking. Add to that the planting of chestnuts come to the green.
   

The former environment minister of the Open Women Künast itself has recognized the restoration of Fuldaaue and lowering the water level at high tide by 70 cm as a major achievement.

do if the mayor and his SPD now build a new bridge in the Wittich, this would maintain the current planning is not just a visual disaster. The purchase of the house Wilfert for the purpose of connecting the bridge gives the impression that the new bridge for some time planned and decided upon is. The planned traffic through the narrow public road is a disaster for all residents. enable

To a construction aid during the reconstruction period of the "bridge of partnership," allow me to make a proposal:

Before the bridge of the partnership in the transport of the become citizens road to New Town Road passed.
on the corner of New Town road / street corner in front of the house is No. 1 (House Lemke), the road will be built as temporary.
The land parcel 70 / 2, 70 / 3 and 70 / 6 belong to the city and can be used for that purpose. The old half-timbered house of THW may be demolished to make room.
Then a temporary bridge could be built on the Fulda, to connect to the house to the Bruhns Braach road.

The mayor and his SPD have ignored the citizens of the city and chose the worst solution to a gap measure during the bridge rehabilitation.
The better way would be a citizens' information with the Office of Highway and transport Eschwege, the Transport Ministry and the citizens have been and not the creation of a fait accompli. The citizen is therefore entitled to protest.

Alfred Scholz

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Open letter to the mayor of the town of Rotenburg an der Fulda, Mr Manfred Fehr

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Manfred Fehr
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36199 Rotenburg adFulda

16th June 2008

Open Letter

to the mayor of the town of Rotenburg an der Fulda, Mr Manfred Fehr

Dear Mr. Mayor,

we, the interest group Citizens for Citizens street, say thank you for the invitation as the letter of the city council chief, Mr Troch, from 04 June 2008, at the 24th meeting of citizens June 2008 at the podium to present the situation for the reconstruction of Wittichbrücke in our view. Our place is not on the podium, but the citizens Rotenburg. See you by the people not hired to represent the ideas, concerns and worries only indirectly. In the interests of grassroots democracy, we want all citizens to help us come into the town meeting to speak. The elected representatives Rotenburg and specialist advisers are addressed to the questions of citizens. Sorry, did you, Mr. Mayor, 11 June 2008, despite our reservation and after your meeting, City Council never took the time for us to take to 1700 signatures against Rotenburger citizens. This was the right moment to talk to the communities, instead, rushed past us without saying goodbye.

Like you, we are also keen to discuss objectively and with respect to each other. In particular, we thank the local newspaper (HNA) on the contribution of 13 June 2008 on the renovation of the bridge of the partnership. When more than one bridge, we have asked companies to engineering structures such as the bridge of the partnership. We confirmed that a new bridge about in this way 70 to 80 years and a present to the state of the art modernized bridge section 60 to 70 years would endure. There are only every 25 to 30 years, sealing and covering the road to renewals necessary, which could be executed without full closure of the road. In connection with the decisions to build the new Wittichbrücke you said, inter alia, mutatis mutandis, be that again in about 10 to 15 years, the renovated section of renovated or demolished should and therefore the permanent new Wittichbrücke the most reasonable solution is to get to avoid the cost of a further temporary bridge. This statement is contrary to the accepted engineering in modern bridge, as issued by the local press in the 13th has been demolished June 2008. According to the local newspaper of 13 June 2008, testified that the signatures are 1700 "on the basis of inadequate knowledge and using some completely false, even malicious information came in part concluded. The citizens know Rotenburg weight to these and other statements by you and assessed. We are so grateful that so many citizens support us and also pleased that we are supported by all sides in different ways. We are confident that the public meeting on 24 June 2008 Rotenburg further brings a piece.

Sincerely

interest group Citizens for the Citizens Road

Representing

Bernd Steimann Heiko Fidorra

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recreation and quality of experience versus bridge

Although kingfishers and little ringed plover relatively unimpressed well against such a predictable Risks, such as a new bridge show, I would make from the perspective of nature conservation but some critical comments on the bridge at Wittichsteg. Now the Red Rotenburger not on the list. Nevertheless, you should use worrying about how many of these species, their city and what they have needs. Especially against the background of the "Classical Rotenburg" increasingly outdated and you should think strategically, as the reproductive success "of the Red Burgers" could be increased dramatically, it is important first of which claims to its environment to be analyzed.

observations the elective course of nature and environment of the JGS show that a large number of Red burgers on the Fuldaaue Wittichsteg for sports, fishing, walking the dog, to observe nature or just for recreation uses. Moreover, this area serves the students of the Jakob-Grimm school as an extracurricular learning, and is by nature-AG, the AG-Fuldaauen and many students used regularly to school. A variety of sports courses are also held in the Fuldaaue between Rotenburg and Braach.

is clear, a permanent bridge structure limits the recreational, the experience and the quality of life "of the Red Burgers significant "one. Who relaxed the moment you look at Kingfisher and Little Ringed Plover, if he perceives exhaust smell in the nose and traffic noise in the ears. While many Rotenburger avoid this area in future, especially the "young Rotenburg" as students of the JGS to a non-school setting in the immediate vicinity of the school are dependent. Also the security of their way to school is at stake.

reproductive success and youth development "of the Red Burgers" may therefore be adversely affected by the proposed project.

Although planning and speak financial reasons certainly understandable for a permanent bridge at Wittichsteg, so the following should be balanced: lots of money to be spent on a temporary bridge, which disappears again after the construction phase, is certainly no silver bullet. spend a lot of money for a permanent solution on the bridge Wittichsteg influenced the quality of life "of the Red Burgers" for the next few decades is negative, is surely a mistake! For, only where "the Rotenburg" feeling well, he gets young and childless dies from Rotenburg!

Ralf Frank

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The Top 5 reasons not to sign the petition for

After consultation with the diligent signature collectors and their own experiences of the past few days, here are the five most commonly cited reasons not to sign for the citizens' initiative:

1. I have already signed


2. I work in the city / town hall


3. xy I live in the district, which does not concern me your bridge?
   
   
4. I sign basically nothing
   
   
5. I'm in the SPD
   

remarks:

to 1)
if it is already at the new list (with date of birth) is, I'll go through the argument once ;-)
to 2)
Anyone in solidarity with the citizens' petition to but due to its signature face disadvantages in professional sees (the question may be allowed: where are we living in?), this latest to do at the referendum, which is carried out in secret ballot .
to 3)
I will here do not even argue with concepts such as solidarity or community. Only this: If the money had been spent for a lasting solution to bridge the city only once, missing it later (and now actually has) for matters that concern also the various parts of the city (playgrounds, roads, equipment for fire departments, etc.).
to 4)
as long as you go choose the referendum, one can say anything against the argument.
to 5)
that is not forbidden! Nevertheless, it is still up to each to form the basis of known facts and arguments, their own opinion.

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Manfred Knierim to the "Anonymous" Posted 16:06:08

First, I find it extremely unfair and cowardly, anonymous act. Anonymous letters are usually immediately thrown in the trash. If you have something to say, then fight Use your blinders. I, Manfred Knierim, formerly of the Chamber of Commerce was officially appointed and sworn expert for Construction protest, I minded having a little misunderstood, I use my expertise. If there is written, this bridge in the city causing additional costs of one million euros, thus, only the actual bridge structure meant. If one of a faction as a loyal Ekkehard is connected, it will give that number unaudited faith. I, as an engineer, believe this information is not, nor for the actual building. Finally, it was in this profession is not only technically but also economically over a long Working lives been involved, a sense appropriated for such costs.

Even the Stock Can Test should not miss, incurred substantial additional costs related to the road construction to Wittich and this was included but here virtually around road construction. All supply and waste lines must be adapted to property of the riparian areas must be purchased and re-measured. The Wittichwiesen are, however, high water-free to cross. The flooding was usually about one meter above the floor level of the former beverage market by Tegut. The Czech Wilfer house is purchased, probably at a fair price, and then demolished. These significant Costs will be applied for a temporary bridge for a provisional? Who believes it is blessed! But I think all the mayoral protestations to the contrary, on a background to this project, which will be sometime yet brightened. And nor should myriad Anonymussen from behind say, a bridge in the Wittich was more cost-effective, I will remain unbowed in my opinion and I no longer comment on this. Basta!

Man forgets quickly, too quickly. On 07 February 2006 I had written in a letter written in the HNA regarding the bridge of the town-twinning (quote) "out of every crack runs down the brown, rusty gravy!" It was first aroused public attention to this situation. Then, the known activities are due respect on this matter. So I had to keep right then and even today I am not afraid, completely wrong. To aim at the temporary close of the current bridge. On a temporary Wittich could only be approved if there should be no tätsächlich acceptable alternative solution.


Sincerely

Manfred Knierim

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discussion with "Anonymous"

(Source: http://schildbuergerbruecke-rotenburg.blogspot.com/2008/06/meinung-zum-thema-behelfsbrcke-von.html # comments )

Anonymous :
I think Mr. Knierim has the newspaper article in the HNA 13.06.2008 probably misunderstood. For this it is that the temporary bridge that will run directly alongside the bridge of the town twinning, "a million € more expensive than the most expedient Wittich" will be. As the community of interests of citizens road but is considered so much on the welfare of our citizens and I would say that it might be good of all citizens, I say they should now work towards a much more determined for a temporary bridge in the Wittich. Just like in the newspaper article of 05.06.2008 showed it has also voted by a large majority on the Assembly of 03.06.2008 for a temporary bridge in the Wittich. For with this temporary bridge saves the state of Hesse finally 1 million euros that other citizens could come to good. Has the town of Rotenburg but the state of Hesse in the implementation of the bypass Lispenhausen still necessary and should not scare away with his church tower thinking. A little more foresight would be appropriate.

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Hello Sir,
it may be that Mr.. Knierim has lost in the numbers of the bridges. Nevertheless, it must be noted, other aspects, rather than just the statement "the Wittichbrücke is 1 million cheaper" to play from the HNA articles.
How about if we compare in an objective discussion of the overall costs of the various alternatives? What, for example by standing in the room 400 thousand euros for the Czech Wilfer land would not be leftovers in the consideration of the total cost? What about the then necessary, further expansion of civil road? Free of?
About the argument that the state of Hesse could be relieved at a lasting solution, we can discuss. This is not exactly your particular issue, because you belong to the seemingly cheaper, temporary bridge at Wittich.Trotzdem I would like this to record from supporters of the permanent solution again raised criticism.
I'm at the point that is of the opinion that one here, "the shirt should be closer than the pants." Rotenburg is first paralyzed similar financially Alsfeld, the land (and all citizens of Hesse, you want to be relieved), the town of Rotenburg is certainly not with any financial transfer payments come to the rescue. I think the city treasurer of the town of Rotenburg, this is perhaps not officially, just so I can sehen.Von agree with the argument of the UBR representative in the city parliament only who said that a permanent bridge would be good, but "even given too expensive", because every year about 100 million (the figures vary here, depending on the political direction) incurred in running costs would be.
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Anonymous:
a) seems temporary bridge to be a word they absichtlichnicht often use you möchten.Stehen to coordinate your interest group Citizens Street: YES to the temporary bridge Wittich , 03.06.2008! b) temporary bridge right through the downtown area residential costs 2.5 Euro millions + protection of residents c) temporary bridge Wittich 1.5 million euros and now? An easy math problem! Where do you live as a tax payer? End to the Rotenburg waste of public funds. In the absence of objective discussion approaches the dialogue ends here!

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Hello Mr. or Mrs.,
OK when the dialogue is over, I take the liberty won, almost in the monologue, she returns the comment.
a) I do not know how to get to the word temporary bridge that I do not intentionally want to use. In my previous post was about the comparison of different alternatives, which in my view insufficiently appraised total costs and the problems of allocating costs between rural and urban areas of permanent and temporary solution. But perhaps refute the following arguments on the amount of your disk immersion level, your accusation: ..... temporary bridge, temporary bridge, temporary bridge, temporary bridge, temporary bridge ;-)
b & c) the arithmetic task (simple addition) in itself is light, seems to be difficult for you to determine all the terms of the task, or where among other things, the issue raised by me before buying the site Wilfert? Costs for protection of residents and students to school in the case of the JGS Wittichlösung could well be listed as well.
Best thing about your comment is still the sentence "In the absence of objective discussion approaches the dialogue ends here!".
Let us leave the neutral observer our discussion, the decision who provided us an objective discussion of approaches and who is not.
good evening!

not likely to be continued ...

see also review and discussion here:
http://www.hna.de/rotenburgstart/00_20080613174142_CDU_bleibt_beim_klaren_Nein.html
My guess: "Anonymous" = "Rotenburg-girl" = wife of "Rotenburger_Jung :-)

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perception problems are contagious?

After I have written today morning, a reader's letter on" perception problem ", I imagine, just from the state of the action group returned to the marketplace, even the question of whether I am suffering from symptoms of this condition.

There was a discussion with former mayor of a district (the quote I personally appreciate very much and I have also asked for permission, his statement to) those which concerned the nature of the proposed bridge.
He assured me the satisfaction of the Mayor would no permanent bridge at the Wittich plan, but probably a temporary bridge in this area.
I said that but just the planning of a permanent bridge, the citizens' group has launched.
This would reflect his view, not for the truth and the citizens' initiative would be against any alternative in the affected area.
My question whether it is new information that only a temporary bridge was planned and the citizens' initiative may still not known (and which we would welcome proof) was negative, it would have been accessible to only a temporary bridge in the Wittich was planned.

Since then, I will no longer follows from the head :

No one intends a (Wall) permanent bridge building!

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in addition to bridge now Rotenburg perception problem?

note to the following statement by the City Council Troch in the HNA on 14.06.2008 "Discuss with respect":
(Source: http://www.hna.de/rotenburgstart/00_20080613173824_Mit_Respekt_diskutieren.html)

"[...] see also the Hesse local government right to bring a petition for a referendum. Hence the repeated appearance of assertion is contradicted, that citizens would be provided by the City Council with a fait accompli. [...] "

The possibility of a citizens' decision that involves a lot of effort of all stakeholders and the last opportunities for citizens is to put up with absolute majorities in Parliament to defend, is listed as a refutation of the claim, the mayor, including SPD group did not attempt to provide the citizens with their procedure with a fait accompli.

This covers the differences in perception between the majority party in the city parliament and the perceived majority against in the Rotenburg Wittichbrücke a permanent population on relentlessly.

That every decision of a party with an absolute majority in parliament usually leads to a fait accompli does not require much analytical Skills.

The argument is reminiscent of the testimony of an arsonist, who said after lighting a house of arson could be no question but that it had finally each had the opportunity to call the fire department.

To clarify: I would like to explicitly entitle anyone as an arsonist, it's all about the visual comparison of the criticism of my statement.

Who has such a perception of the current events in Rotenburg, the course it is no surprise that many Rotenburger Mayor trust now, despite all protestations to have made arrangements with a supermarket operator or the investor for a future shopping center. Although this really should not reflect the actual events, it is the wrong way, the corresponding letters dismiss the same as malicious.

Rather, those responsible should go, and consider how it could in the bridge question about this focus in the discussion and who has cast the first stone with his approach.

For if we next to a bridge problem in Rotenburg not need anything, there is a problem of perception of current events.

Michael Breitbart

Uhland Strasse 21
36199 Rotenburg

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opinion on "temporary bridge" by Manfred Knierim

How could I have heard with satisfaction, is part of the Office of Transport and a temporary bridge adjacent to the "Bridge of twinning" or on the gravel at the company tap at all on the table. In this, the easiest and most affordable, we must work towards solutions and in no case can look forward to building on Wittichsteg involved. If only one portion of a plot of land confiscated residents, citizens road is expanded, there will be no turning back, the steady state would.

Apparently, the SPD in Rotenburg learned nothing from the mistakes of the past. But then she want to lead the market entirely for Downtown, the purported benefits of the business world and boycotted the solution by means of a combined road and rail bridge on the high feast. One wonders today what is behind to do the bridge must have at Wittich. The Mayor Fehr can not justify this, his Protestations that it had no agreements with any investment made, are simply not credible. If his unworthy and high-handed posturing goes on in this way can easily be a case of "Fehr" and a case of "bridge" for a case to "SPD Rotenburg. That should lead these ladies and gentlemen always strongly in mind.

Sincerely

Manfred Knierim

Obertor a
36199 Rotenburg
+ AB Tel: (06 623) 91 73 95
Fax: 01805 060 335 049 01
www . manfred-knierim.de

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letter "start earlier than in 2015" by M.-H. Low-Fehr

is in view of an environmental study for the pier Storch, I do wonder whether a study should be created for the Wittichbrücke. Obviously not yet, otherwise the citizens of the riparian area was not surprised with the already finished and planning as the decision has not been whipped with this speed by the City Council.

is measured here as a double standard. And if so, why? Should not all people, animals, etc. are treated equally? Who is this really the same as equal. That to me is too high. That I must first someone explain.

M.-H. Low-Fehr

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officially launched with a new citizens' initiative petition form

The public's been officially launched!

This is necessary on a new, in consultation with the Bar, to sign form.
means that all of the more than 1,700 signers of the trial program will be asked again to sign for the citizens' initiative.
This is absolutely necessary in order not to let the project fail because of formal errors, etc..

So when it rings in the next few days at your door, do the calmly, it could be a friendly supporter of the Citizens' Initiative be asking you to confirm your signature.

The new petitions are on top of Rotenburg in various shops.
Furthermore, the citizens initiative to the next three Saturdays with a stand on the square represented, so that there should be plenty of opportunities to express your solidarity with desire.
Who's not enough, can download form here the print and mail to the addresses indicated. Alternatively, it can also be made in the Rotenburg shops, ausliegen where the lists.

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bridges as landmarks and icons - from Ernst circle

articles about bridge building are many arguments in conversation been made, little attention so far, the aspects of "bridges, the landmark" and "bridges as symbols.
apply since time bridges find churches, town halls and other representative buildings as landmarks of our cities . Very nice, which shows the logo of the town of Rotenburg on (with and without Konne). The old bridge in the center draws a line from one church to another, both of public town hall to the private timber-framed houses. It bridges the time period from the medieval past (the tower of the city wall) to the present, it combines man made with nature (trees).
"landmark" are in accordance with the statements said historical research "signs for the performance of" : One should perceive them, of which visions, ideas and lifestyles, their clients, planners and builders have been conducted, what they in their time and for their city were so important that it's cultural heritage for their descendants specific. I mean, at the two Rotenburger bridges and the three pedestrian bridges can be seen in this respect very much.
could What a symbol of the new bridge on Wittig planned bridge be? What might future generations read about it? Which visions, ideas and lifestyles are driven those who want to put something into the world as a cultural heritage for posterity?

Why bridges such importance? Because bridges are not only technical effort made roads, but also significant symbols. Just that you can make clear at the Rotenburg logo - in the sense that I've shown above. You can make it clear in numerous idiomatic expressions of the German language, see the box below.
Generally speaking: Connecting bridges and merge (Sometimes previously separate), bridges overcome trenches to create meeting and community, lead parts into one whole, run the length of the narrow lead to new approaches to and show them new perspectives on .
This symbolism has developed in the course of human history and is deeply rooted in our soul. Therefore, this content will also find its expression in the aesthetic design of a bridge (see also the controversy over the proposed bridge Dresden) and their location in the city or in the countryside, otherwise it becomes a testimony of non-culture.
I wonder: Did they considered when planning recent blogs? I fear not. If so, who will bear the responsibility for a bridge that nothing or little account of the above, - does not connect to, but tears open trenches - in the end the name of "bridge" does not deserve?

keyword phrases related to "bridge" that demonstrate the symbolism:

• With this offer, I have built him a golden bridge.
• Since his move he has broken all the bridges behind him.
• consider sport bridges the gap between the nations.
• Since I will not, I do not go over this bridge!
• It was not possible to bridge the differences by this compromise.
• have over seven bridges you go.
• Picasso's works are a bridge between archaic and modern art.
• A bridging loan helped the city over the financial bottleneck.

Ernst circle

Campingweg 2
36199 Rotenburg an der Fulda
Tel: 0 66 23 - 91 86 85
E-mail: Ernst.Kreis @ t-online.de

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more than 1,700 signatures against permanent Wittichbrücke!

• > 1700 signatures against the construction of the bridge were given
• public petition is initiated
• If the mayor does not come around it to popular vote

(Source: http://www.hna.de/rotenburgstart/00_20080611175025_einssiebennullnull_Proteste_gegen_die_Wittichb.html)

According to the Mayor on 20/05/08 in the City Council, it was clear that his "... plan will lead to a lasting Wittichbrücke emotions and expected to be affected."

I think it is now much more than that!
both quantitatively, more than 1,700 votes speak for themselves, and quality.
Because people in Rotenburg make since then not only thinking about possible solutions to the bridge issue, but wonder now, as is already Dr. Rangkuty noted in your letter, ", the city so as to deal with us?" .

We'll see if the Mayor an answer to the question.
he can not, will do the public no later than the referendum.

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letter "Wittichbrücke" by Dr. Edith Therese Rangkuty

fragmented to the detriment of the citizens

It is certainly not expected that so many Rotenburger identify with their city and work for the preservation of its landscape and nature. A cry goes through the population and that is good.

The living and quality of life in the area of Wittichsteges would be significantly reduced by the construction of a bridge. Over the last few years there has arisen a compact residential area, where young and old feel comfortable. Thus, young families drawn specifically in this residential area, or have built there. They wanted the quiet location and closeness to nature, especially for their children. And those who have lived for years and days there and own property, were sure to have once made the right decision: a flat in a good location whose value provides security for old age.

All these people now see themselves alienated and wonder if you can it so as to deal with them. Uncertainty arises and for good reason: What happens to my property, if the bridge is? How loud and dusty, it will be then? Can be used by schools in teaching to the habitat in the future and where's the quiet footpath on the Fulda?

All the issues that concern people in connection with the proposed bridge, can ultimately be combined into one: Can the city so as to deal with us?

I think they can not and she should out of respect for the citizens either. It is not just about that existing planning law is respected. This is already mandatory. The point is, before Planning law is created to inform citizens about a possible project. It's about explaining and explaining, but mainly it's about one thing: How do the residents of the project and what feasible alternatives are there?

At a briefing on the integrated action concept "ZUBRA" municipal Bebra-Rotenburg-Alheim Mr. Geyer by the relevant planning office has a few weeks ago in Rotenburg Fuldaauen referred to as a jewel. These are a "unique position" of our city and as such a sensitive nature. With their help we could to the natural, rural Tourism develop very well.

Is this again smoke and mirrors? No matter, though the town of Rotenburg in the financing of the concept was instrumental? What is actually this whole piece of work, this fractured individuals projects that fit once again not to each other? Here is a sustainable concept - where a proposed bridge, not matching it. Here, almost for years before him hindämmernde planning a ring road with a bridge to connect to one of the few small commercial areas that Rotenburg has at all - there a planned bridge, not matching it. This listing of the fragmentation and piecemeal goes on and on.

there first parliamentary majority decisions in favor of the Wittichbrücke has to tilt the Hesse state government has no legal recourse for the decision. The reason for this is that it is the overall project is a local roads is

The use of the Rotenburg should not therefore come to nothing and shows the lists of signatures that not only the residents of the affected area to their city . ensure

Those responsible must now correct the consequences draw.

06/06/08, signed by Dr. Edith Therese Rangkuty